Tuesday, 7 February 2012

Simplified Version of Draft PIP Criteria

Here is the simplified version of the PIP criteria we've been working on.

Draft Pip Criteria - Simplified Version 

We hope it will give you all the information you need to decide how you will be personally affected by the change from DLA to PIP. Soon, we will publish a guide to the consultation too, so perhaps we can use this simplified version to start to think about what submissions we might make to the consultation.

Hopefully by later in the week, we can start writing our submissions when the guide to the consultation is finalised. We hope it will mean that many, many more people will engage with this process and we can make our views heard.

If you've already done a submission or don't want to wait, we would like to invite you all to send any submissions you make to us, so that this time, we can keep a public record of as many responses as possible. We will be inviting Charities, DPOs and other campaigning groups to do the same.

Clearly, this will not suit everyone. Some may wish their submission to be private and we wholeheartedly respect this. However, to avoid any suggestion that our views may not be properly considered, we feel it would be helpful to provide a space where they can be collected.

Draft Pip Criteria - Simplified Version 

16 comments:

  1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097081/Gill-Jordans-Lazy-Cow-syndrome-spoof-racks-180k-views-YouTube.html

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  2. Thanks for promoting the simplified PIP criteria and for your part in making that work happen. The government's legalese made my head hurt and the Spartacus version is much easier and more useful.

    I shall be looking to compose something this week and will ensure appropriate copies are sent. Is there a preferred email address for that?

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    1. Ah, I think we're working on that... details will follow once they're decided!

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  3. I use a communication aid as I dont have any speech, yet from the communication section as I dont need help to read or understand what people say or to speak for me (I can type very slowly)I would get zero score, but its very expensive to buy and maintain!! Without PIP I could not afford to replace it. SO much for personal indepence payments!

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    1. It's not clear which sort of 'or' is used in the communication tasks, but my personal guess is that needing help or an aid to speak would count, as would needing help or an aid to understand - either/or, as it were.

      That means (I think) that you'd meet 7-C, which scores all of 2 points. So yeah, if that's your only daily living need, you wouldn't get the Daily Living component.

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    2. Thanks it says from another person not using a device, but if I cant afford to repair/replace it then I will be scoring higher points. Cant cook either but still dont think that give me enough points!!

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  4. Thank you so much for putting this together. It makes it much simpler to understand.

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  5. A lot of hard work is going into these documents in their various versions. I get the feeling Spartacus will be ahead of the game from now on.

    Does anyone know what the Lords are doing meanwhile? I'm hoping they are working on a battle plan of some sort, though I fear they may not care to create too much havoc.

    I watched Monday night's BBC1 programme 'The Diamond Queen'.
    Andrew Marr said that the Queen "has the right to be consulted, to advise, and to warn." We can hope. It seems that she reads all the newspapers and listens to the news.

    A bit later in the programme she was shown at the formal opening of Parliament, with Dave and Nick sitting listening, as she read out: "My Government's legislative programme will be based upon the principles of freedom fairness and responsibility". Hmmm!

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    1. Judith the queen will only to get to hear anything via the papers any letters sent are read by her staff
      so she will be like us in the dark sad to say

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  6. also the humans rights were breached in the phone hacking trial and that the idea the government can push people about and break their human rights may not work although in isolation those who are seen to be on their own the government no doubt will try to so those on their own will need to be on their guard and speak up

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  7. Thank you again Sue and the team behind you for putting this together..this pretty much sums up what I perceived to be from the proposed PIP guidelines to 'availability' and I am so grateful for this amazing document and will make a point at looking at putting together something for you soon. In between the bloody bowel attacks and recovering from yet another hospital admission...but hey, you would know all about that huh! ;) gracious thanks and stay well my friend x

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  8. Yes a very useful guide Sue thanks.

    Feeling very scared at the moment about it all as most of my DLA goes to pay towards my local authority care. I've got 3 people's jobs on the line, so if the migration to PIP doesn't go well, I'm unsure as to how the local authority will charge me for my care, and since so many people will be affected, it will take ages to obtain a new financial assessment.

    Ah well, they can't have what I haven't got, but I'm worried that if I only get the low rates for PIP, they may consider removing the care accordingly.

    I suppose many of us waver between strength and total despair; on the one hand, I feel like, let them do it, and let the public see what happens when all help is removed, and alternatively, that I couldn't stand being put back into such a horrible situation like I was for years before I received help. I couldn't live like that again; I've no strength to fight any more.

    All the more so, people like me are appreciative of the moral support we gain from those who do take up the fight despite the consequences.

    Thanks again, and I hope that you are recovered a little.

    clarebelz

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  9. hi...can i just ask, do you need to score 8 points or more in ALL of the sections...ie communication, feeding, dressing etc or is it 8 points or more throughout the whole of the daily living component as that makes a big difference to me...i could possibly hit 8 points across the whole thing but not separately in each catagory?

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    1. Hiya,

      its across the whole thing so you could score 2 in each bit - the key is getting a minimum 8 points. you could score 8 just in one bit and still qualify. I hope that helps

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  10. I wish I hadn't read this when I'm alone because it's depressing. Thank you for making it so easy to read and understand.

    My big problem is to do with gaps in relation to eating and financial decisions.

    I have bipolar disorder, so my moods go too high and too low and my thinking gets wonky. It affects the decisions I make.

    I don't have a problem with complex financial decisions. I understand that they're important and that I need to take time to make them and that I may need help to make them. My problem is with everyday decisions. For example, I may go to the shops for a loaf of bread and come home with thirty big bars of chocolate. (I did that last week.) So it's the simple decisions that are impaired, but they can be very expensive. (£50 on chocolate instead of £1 on bread.)

    Also, with eating, I can eat, I do eat, but I eat inappropriately. Now, you can say that this is greed, but it's not just that, I lose track of time and forget that I've already eaten and eat again and the first I know of it, I've run out of bread before I expected or I've eaten all the wrong stuff. I get on track for eating one thing and eat a lot of it. It might be anything from curry to porridge to tuna. I buy it and eat and eat and eat. So you can't say that I can't feed myself, but it's not just about eating, it's about eating the right stuff. It's not that I'm not intelligent, but my eating habits are driven by my moods. When I'm manic, I go crazy for protein, when I'm depressed, it's caffeine and bread.

    So these rules cope with people who can't do something but don't cope with people who do too much of something. They can't cope with someone who can do accounting but will go and buy a hundred kitchen rolls. They can't cope with someone who can eat but who'll eat fifteen tins of tuna one week and fifteen large bars of chocolate the next.

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